Saturday, September 27, 2014

More Deer

On Sept.2 I asked the question regarding our deer population “Why can't we start a sterilization program now to head this off at the pass?”  Since then I have learned more about deer than I ever thought I would.  According to the Mayor of Avon Lake, the State of Ohio does not permit birth control methods for deer. “Once a deer is immunized, or something is injected into a deer, they potentially can run off and be shot by a hunter and there is concern that people are going to consume that meat and be affected by whatever is in the deer. They have not allowed sterilization of this type in thirty years.”  “You are not allowed to capture deer and sterilize them, because the sterilize procedure is chemical in nature and the ODNR is concerned that if that deer was ever hunted and consumed by animals there could be contamination of meat.”  I am still looking into this information.


Additionally, I have read the cost of capturing and removing the ovaries to sterilize is expensive. Depending on the area you live in the cost can range from $500 to $3,000 per doe.

Monday, September 22, 2014

The Debate and The Deer

With due respect to the residents that are concerned enough with matters to question our city officials, an answer that is always appreciated is ‘I don’t know enough about it but I will find out’. I learned the information below when I was researching the white-tail deer. It was not, however, my intention to dilute the deer topic with questioning how the role of the ODNR could have been misinterpreted, it just happened that way.
  
The deer population was addressed during the Mayoral Candidate debate in October. Mayor Sutherland stated reasons why the city could not attempt to reduce the ever growing deer population. With controversial aspects of culling still being discussed, and in the event Bay should ever consider a deer management program, I wanted more information. Of the things I learned, some were in contrast to what was presented by the Mayor. My confusion led me to communicate with the Department of Wildlife Management Supervisor at the ODNR (Ohio Department of Natural Resources) for clarification.  He was able to elaborate and his answers didn’t mirror my understanding from the debate. Furthermore, no one from the City of Bay Village has spoken to the ODNR Wildlife Manager to discuss the deer population in our town. The only Bay people he has spoken to have been a few residents.
   
Debate Question: Are you looking for a joint effort with our sister cities on deer, bird reduction?

Mayor Sutherland stated she had been talking to the City of Avon Lake, and to be very honest, regarding this issue, this is actually the jurisdiction of the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. They are the ones who can permit a city or metro parks to cull the herd. Certain population parameters have to be met and “according to the ODNR unfortunately the City of Bay Village does not meet them”. She stated further, just to give us an idea, the number of accidents we may end up with in a year - 10 accidents max of vehicle versus deer compared to the City of Solon with 85 to 125. She summed it all up with “and that is how the ODNR judges the population.”

ODNR:  There is no population parameter or deer vehicle accident standard to be met to begin a deer management program. In fact, a city does not have to involve the ODNR to develop most programs. The decision to cull is left to the city. A deer management program, individual to each city, is brought into play and written by the city, not the ODNR. Each program is specific to the city and the problems it faces and the goals it wishes to attain. The ODNR provides the guidance and technical assistance to help make informed decisions and to help a city reach their goals.

If hunting is the culling method, the ODNR has the jurisdiction to enforce statewide hunting regulations and policies. The ODNR can deny a permit for programs outside statewide hunting regulations if they are not comfortable with the program. As best we can tell, Bay did not submit any program to be denied.

Regarding the program: Given the diversity and needs from one area to another, different criteria can be assigned that may vary from city to city. Criteria is established in direct relation to and dependent upon what a city defines as issues and goals. The city itself must first site reduction in traffic accidents as a goal, the ODNR in turn may require particular traffic statistics. ODNR will not simply say – X amount of accidents are not enough to consider a program for your town. Cities tend to want to lay the focus on deer vehicle accidents but the reality in most cases should be on resident issues.  If it is landowner complaints, ODNR will require citizen survey data. If it is for biodiversity issues, they look for vegetation monitoring. Cities are held to providing an amazing amount of work and will be under scrutiny once they involve the ODNR. 

According to the ODNR, there is no one answer or even a good answer when looking at optimum population or “population parameters”. The goal is not necessarily always population control, but goals are tied to the problems the population creates in each individual city, in which case the size of the herd may sometimes be inconsequential. Goal examples: a city can have as a goal of working toward a 30% reduction in resident complaints in area 1 or; no more than 5 vehicle accidents in area 2. Attaching the same numbers to a herd for every community in the state of Ohio does not work. Think of the different landscape throughout the entire state and you know that some areas can sustain 25 deer per square mile while other areas only 5 per square mile. As in the case of an airport area, a zero deer population is the goal. In fact the ODNR stated that a lot goes into determining appropriate levels. 

My understanding:  To say the ODNR looked at the deer population parameters and accident rates of Bay was simply an easy, incomplete and skewed answer. To say that Bay did not meet population parameters is untrue since there are no such parameters to meet. To say, in essence, we were denied permission to cull is in fact – not fact. Contrary to what was said at the debate, there is no basis for citing lack of population and accidents to create a management plan to control deer.

Should the city write a plan and contact the ODNR, yes, they will look at deer traffic accidents if lowering accidents is a part of said goals. Accidents will be looked at relative to your plan; not in comparison to any other city’s accidents or plans such as Solon. But since Solon was the example given, Solon’s herd, is assumedly bigger because the city of Solon has 20 square miles to Bay’s 7 square miles. It stands to reason Solon would have more deer related auto accidents. Still, there is no accident standard to be met unless and until the city outlines that in their goals. 

The ODNR will work, no fees involved, to discuss techniques to achieve identified goals on a case by case basis.  For a densely populated city like Bay Village where bow and arrow and sharpshooting would not work, there are options including trapping.


The link to the Mayoral Candidate debate is here http://vimeo.com/76088904 At 17:35 the question is asked.

Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Committee Meeting 9/9/14 Curbside Textile Recycling

Many topics were discussed last night at the Committee Meeting but none handled with the same clarity and fairness as Tasha Sherman made her points regarding the City plans to recycle textiles. Tasha works in the industry and has discussed this issue here and on other Facebook pages.
Fearing misinformation was spreading; she wanted to set the record straight and gave an excellent explanation on what happens when textiles are recycled. She also encouraged the City to look at other resources when the 3 year contract is up because we can do better than a penny a pound. Still, it is a start and many are thrilled the City is moving in this direction.
During Q & A it was asked if the company was thoroughly vetted and if it went before Council. It was answered that matters that do not cost us do not have to be presented to Council. The Mayor was then asked if the City was having charity bins around town removed. The Mayor answered no. When it was pointed out which ones were gone, it was stated these were all on private property (i.e. the bin by Walgreen’s, two on Clague by the strip center). Though the answer was no, and the implication was that the shopping center owners decided to remove them, some found this too much of a coincidence to be true. It was stressed that you can, of course, still give to your favorite charitable organization.
Thanks to Tasha the City will paint a clear and honest description regarding our new curbside textile recycling plan which begins Oct. 7.
Until details appear in a newsletter or on the City website you can read the discussions here:
And a basic overview here:
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Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Cleveland Metroparks Explains the Deer Issues

http://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/Main/CurrentIssues.aspx#DeerManagement

Deer Culling

Let's talk deer culling. Culling and killing - a fine line. First it is my opinion that the bow hunting legislation recently passed in Avon Lake could never be an issue in Bay Village. Our lots do not have the acreage or farm land present as in Avon Lake.  Our Mayor says we do not meet the ODNR standards to implement culling measures. But one must wonder - what if we did meet the standards? We might someday if the population of white-tail deer continues to increase as it clearly is. Why can't we start a sterilization program now to head this off at the pass?

As for today, citizens of Bay are concerned for two reasons. Our city borders Avon Lake and our shared Walker Road Park where culling will be allowed. Tom Henderson Ward 4 Council has stated that he will work to assure that deer stands in Walker Road Park are positioned so they are facing west as opposed to any arrows being shot to the east potentially into the yards of those bordering the park. The second concern comes from animal lovers.

Avon Lake has determined that due to the negative impact the white-tail deer has on public safety issues; vehicular accidents, destruction of habitats, carrying disease and parasites, and damage to public and private property, that culling of the white-tail deer by bow hunting is a necessity. Helicopter surveys where deer were counted show apx. 220 deer in Avon Lake. Fifty would be the norm for a city that size.

In July Dave Tadych and Tom Henderson attended a 3 hour Council meeting in Avon Lake when this hot button legislation was approved. By all accounts, this was a much debated issue with passion siding against the legislation. The City of Avon Lake believes all concerns are outweighed by the need to do something.

Points of the new ordinance:

1.Individual must have an Ohio Hunting License.

2. Must apply for a permit to bow hunt in Avon Lake. Once the permit application is received, neighbors will be notified. The police dept. will visit properties and decide on a case-by-case basis if destruction warrants a permit.

3. Must have a deer stand (an elevation 10 feet off the ground).

4. The individual must have Ohio Hunter Education Course credentials.

5. Hunting could occur outside of the hunting season if the owner obtains a deer damage control permit through the Ohio Division of Wildlife and a municipal deer control permit thorough the city.

6. Hunting is not allowed with firearms or other weaponry.

7. Processes are in place for removal of the carcass.

However, from what I have read, it sounds like any of these amendments are at the discretion of the Police Chief.

Although some have stated speed is the problem with the deer car accidents, one can hit a deer going 25 mph and it can total a car.

At our Town Hall meeting concern was raised that deer may not fall immediately but run injured and die somewhere else. Avon Lake addresses this with the knowledge that this could happen and they will have to handle each scenario as it arises.

Last week an Avon Lake Council Member suggested that smaller lots need an effective way to minimize deer traffic and that paintballs may be the answer. Read the article re: "polka dot deer" http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/08/29/oh-deer%E2%80%88scare-paintballs/

Bay animal lovers have offered to council alternative measures to cull the deer. They do not want to see deer killed by what could be painful ugly deaths. http://www.wildliferescueinc.org/

Some people still believe Lyme disease is not in Ohio, but it is and is increasing and deer carry that tick.       http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/stay-informed/news-announcements/post/new-information-available-about-the-emergence-of-lyme-disease-in-ohio

I was searching for the meeting minutes of the July meeting Tom and Dave attended. They are not up yet on Avon Lake's City site. What I did learn though is that Avon Lake videos meetings. A meeting from June 30th is available to watch. It does address the deer culling. http://avonlake.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=fbd31b64d9c634811ff2f5fb3c70aced

I look forward to a recording or at least the transcript for the July meeting from Avon Lake soon. I also look forward to the day when we can watch Bay Village meetings online! Every other city is moving in that direction! Let's do this Bay!